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PostSubject: Imposition   Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:08 pm

Which is better, Pre or Post RIP Imposition?
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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:46 pm

IMO one is not better than the other. The choice of using pre-rip or post-rip imposition is a matter of preference based on how the prepress department is set up.
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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:46 pm

presstech wrote:
IMO one is not better than the other. The choice of using pre-rip or post-rip imposition is a matter of preference based on how the prepress department is set up.

What do you mean Sir?
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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:04 pm

ARC wrote:
Which is better, Pre or Post RIP Imposition?

Tough question.
I would say, it depends on what you are trying to impose.

for PUBLISHING (magazines, books, etc.): The best imposition system should let you do last minutes alterations or additions. Prinergy Connect with Preps imposition software can let you do the imposition even of the originators of the file are several persons and all use a common template. Automation in Prinergy Connect will automatically REFINE (preflight, optimize, create a certified PDF), once all the pages are completed. Above all this, the trapping and effects you applied on individual pages can be edited or revised without re-RIPPING all the other processed pages.

for STEP and REPEATS:
Preps 6.1

for Packaging with pre-defined dielines:
Pandora
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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:58 am

Kahit ano okay. Depende sa setup and sa needs sir. Pero kami sa newspaper RIP muna. Sa magazine naman impose muna bago RIP. Magkaibang system ginagamit namin sa jaryo and sa commercial.
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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:29 pm

larrysison wrote:
Kahit ano okay. Depende sa setup and sa needs sir. Pero kami sa newspaper RIP muna. Sa magazine naman impose muna bago RIP. Magkaibang system ginagamit namin sa jaryo and sa commercial.

For newspaper, what is the advantage you saw Ripping the files first rather than imposing it first?

Like so with magazines? Can you share your thoughts?

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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:04 pm

ARC wrote:
larrysison wrote:
Kahit ano okay. Depende sa setup and sa needs sir. Pero kami sa newspaper RIP muna. Sa magazine naman impose muna bago RIP. Magkaibang system ginagamit namin sa jaryo and sa commercial.

For newspaper, what is the advantage you saw Ripping the files first rather than imposing it first?

Like so with magazines? Can you share your thoughts?


Let's say you Impose pages without RIPPING (Preflight, Refine, Optimize). In an Imposed page, you create a bigger file (usually a PDF. If later in the RIPPING process it detects that one of the pages have errors, you have to redo your imposition (e.g. correcting the page and placing it into the imposition template) after correcting one of the pages. Ripping before imposition will gurantee that the imposition you will be creating is composed of certified PDFs which of course will save you time.
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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:17 pm

@arc,

Pareho lang 'yan. In both workflow (PDF workflow), bago ka mag-impose, make sure na PDF/X or certified PDF ang file.

Sa newspaper, usually RIPpping muna kasi auto pairing ang system. Kailangan mabilisan. Hindi ka na dapat maghintay ng ka-pair bago ka mag-RIP. Hindi naman kasi sabay-sabay ang submission ng mga pages. 'Empre, 'yung niri-RIP na PDF ay PDF/X or certified PDF na.

Certified PDF (base on PDF/X) will always come first before RIPping, otherwise you will waste time RIPping.

HTH,
Alex

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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:36 am

ARC wrote:
For newspaper, what is the advantage you saw Ripping the files first rather than imposing it first? Like so with magazines? Can you share your thoughts?

Ang newspaper kasi pag may natapos na na pahina ibibigay kaagad yan sa CTP. So paisa-isa ang bigay ng pages. Kung aantayin pa ang ka-pair ng bawat page bago i-RIP malelate ang diyaryo.

Katulad kami we're printing many newspapers in one night. Meron pages galing Lebanon, London, India, and from other cities in KSA. Kadalasan habang pumapasok sa queue ang ibang pages ng isang diyaryo, pumapasok na rin ang pahina ng isang cliente naman. Sayang ang oras kung andun na ang pahina sa harap mo tapos mamaya mo pa iri-RIP kasi wala pa ang kapares na page. Kaya maigi kung sa bawat pahina na pumasok na i-RIP agad to save time processing.

Sa newspaper crucial ang time kasi di mo puwedeng sabihin sa piloto ng eroplano na "boss, 5 minutes lang ha. " Pag naiwan ka ng eroplano hindi madedeliver ang jaryo mo sa ibang cities. Mayayari ka sa advertisers.

Sa magazine naman, most of the time sabay sabay ibibigay lahat ng pahina. Kung meron man maiwan, iilang pages lang.

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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:14 pm

larrysison wrote:
ARC wrote:
For newspaper, what is the advantage you saw Ripping the files first rather than imposing it first? Like so with magazines? Can you share your thoughts?

Ang newspaper kasi pag may natapos na na pahina ibibigay kaagad yan sa CTP. So paisa-isa ang bigay ng pages. Kung aantayin pa ang ka-pair ng bawat page bago i-RIP malelate ang diyaryo.

Katulad kami we're printing many newspapers in one night. Meron pages galing Lebanon, London, India, and from other cities in KSA. Kadalasan habang pumapasok sa queue ang ibang pages ng isang diyaryo, pumapasok na rin ang pahina ng isang cliente naman. Sayang ang oras kung andun na ang pahina sa harap mo tapos mamaya mo pa iri-RIP kasi wala pa ang kapares na page. Kaya maigi kung sa bawat pahina na pumasok na i-RIP agad to save time processing.

Sa newspaper crucial ang time kasi di mo puwedeng sabihin sa piloto ng eroplano na "boss, 5 minutes lang ha. " Pag naiwan ka ng eroplano hindi madedeliver ang jaryo mo sa ibang cities. Mayayari ka sa advertisers.

Sa magazine naman, most of the time sabay sabay ibibigay lahat ng pahina. Kung meron man maiwan, iilang pages lang.


Salamat sa inyong pag esplika na Process flow sa isang imprenta ng dyaryo.

Tanong ko lang po, hindi po ba mas mabigat mag impose ng Ripped file na kumpara sa impose muna PDF bago i-rip?

Salamat po.
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PostSubject: Re: Imposition   Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:12 pm

Di naman mabigat kasi sa newspaper 2 pages broadsheet lang naman yan. And all of the pics nasa 150dpi to 200dpi ang resolution, so magaang. Pero sa panahon ngayon pare-pareho lang ang mga workflow. Kahit RIP mauna o mahuli kayang kaya ng mga workflow nowadays.
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